1 00:00:08,390 --> 00:00:06,550 [Music] 2 00:00:11,190 --> 00:00:08,400 welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:17,130 --> 00:00:11,200 the podcast from australia for science 4 00:00:23,029 --> 00:00:17,140 and reason 5 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:23,039 [Music] 6 00:00:26,429 --> 00:00:24,960 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:26,439 episode number 8 00:00:32,549 --> 00:00:30,880 653 for the 18th of april 2021 9 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:32,559 richard saunders coming to you from 10 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:34,480 sydney australia let's look out the 11 00:00:40,549 --> 00:00:36,800 skeptic zone window 12 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:40,559 blue sky but not hot quite nice weather 13 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:41,920 today 14 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:44,320 maybe it's a good day for a stroll and 15 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:45,200 the other day 16 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:48,640 i took a stroll down king street newtown 17 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:51,360 now newtown is an inner city suburb here 18 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:52,480 in sydney 19 00:00:58,869 --> 00:00:55,520 known for its spectacular 20 00:01:01,110 --> 00:00:58,879 range of restaurants my goodness me oh 21 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:01,120 everything and anything you can get down 22 00:01:05,270 --> 00:01:02,320 king street 23 00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:05,280 and it's also known for well i guess it 24 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:06,720 prides itself on being a bit 25 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:10,320 edgy alternative trendy 26 00:01:16,870 --> 00:01:13,600 whatever that means and 27 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:16,880 you can find quite a selection of what 28 00:01:23,030 --> 00:01:20,080 should we say uh new age 29 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:23,040 alternative type stores down king street 30 00:01:27,429 --> 00:01:24,320 so at the top of the show 31 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:27,439 join me as i wander the length of king 32 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:28,320 street 33 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:30,240 stopping and having a look at all the 34 00:01:35,830 --> 00:01:31,600 new age and 35 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:35,840 alternative stores i find along the way 36 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:37,920 following that i go to another suburb 37 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:40,079 here in sydney not very far from king 38 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:41,280 street newtown 39 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:44,720 the suburb of glebe to glee books 40 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:47,920 where i attended the launch of fake 41 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:50,880 medicine the new book by dr brad mackay 42 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:53,040 you might remember a couple of weeks ago 43 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:55,200 maynard interviewed dr brad about his 44 00:01:59,670 --> 00:01:55,920 book 45 00:02:00,709 --> 00:01:59,680 officially launched and i along with a 46 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:00,719 room full of people 47 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:02,799 including members of the australian 48 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:05,520 skeptics attended the book launch 49 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:08,160 so we have a little bit of the launch i 50 00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:10,239 get to ask a question of dr brad 51 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:12,800 from the audience and then join skeptics 52 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:14,400 president jessica singer 53 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:16,239 and committee members josh godby and our 54 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:17,599 friend lara benham 55 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:19,360 from the committee and who you've heard 56 00:02:24,070 --> 00:02:21,200 on the show many times before 57 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:24,080 as we have a nice drink afterwards to 58 00:02:27,910 --> 00:02:26,239 discuss the book launch 59 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:27,920 then to round off the show once again we 60 00:02:31,509 --> 00:02:30,000 go into the trove archives 61 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,519 and this week we're looking up 62 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:33,840 references in australian newspapers of 63 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:34,480 the past 64 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:37,599 to the term telekinesis 65 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:40,160 which is of course the uh claimed 66 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:41,680 ability to move 67 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:44,879 matter with the power of your mind 68 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:46,959 and i noticed that school is just to go 69 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:50,160 back school vacation time is over for 70 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,160 students and for teachers 71 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:54,239 spare a thought for teachers who are 72 00:02:59,190 --> 00:02:56,080 going back to uh 73 00:03:00,229 --> 00:02:59,200 to work next week teachers in all sorts 74 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,239 of schools 75 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:02,480 from the public education system to 76 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:04,560 private schools to 77 00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:07,760 schools that teach languages and i think 78 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:08,879 we all should have 79 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:12,480 great respect for the work teachers do 80 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:15,280 i know it's certainly not an easy job 81 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:16,400 stay tuned 82 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:18,000 at the end of the show for more 83 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:19,840 announcements from me 84 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:21,360 but now it's time for me to run 85 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:23,599 downstairs and have one of my 86 00:03:30,789 --> 00:03:27,280 um once in a while 87 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:30,799 sort of meals and 88 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:33,200 you might like this or you may not may 89 00:03:38,149 --> 00:03:35,040 get a 90 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:38,159 tablespoon of peanut butter mix up a 91 00:03:43,589 --> 00:03:40,560 little bit of soy sauce 92 00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:43,599 and then add some wasabi mix that all in 93 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:44,959 together 94 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:49,440 cook up some rice and have that 95 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:52,080 mixed up so rice peanut butter wasabi 96 00:03:58,550 --> 00:03:54,879 sauce and soy sauce 97 00:04:00,710 --> 00:03:58,560 hmm no it it does taste good 98 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:00,720 i promise well i do that i hope you 99 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:29,909 you find me on a bus a government bus 100 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:31,919 heading into the 101 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:33,840 into the city more or less towards the 102 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:35,199 city from where i live 103 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:38,320 in one of the inner suburbs and this bus 104 00:04:42,469 --> 00:04:39,040 will take me 105 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:42,479 to king street new town 106 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:44,080 now a couple of years ago on the skeptic 107 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:46,400 zone i took a wander down telegraph road 108 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:46,880 in 109 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:49,759 berkeley and stopped and had a look at 110 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:51,040 some of these strange 111 00:04:54,629 --> 00:04:53,440 stores and businesses i found along the 112 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:54,639 way 113 00:04:58,469 --> 00:04:57,360 and well we have a similar situation 114 00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:58,479 here in uh 115 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:01,360 in sydney in newtown king street is 116 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:02,639 famous for its 117 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:06,880 well alternative stores i suspect uh 118 00:05:10,150 --> 00:05:09,600 i expect to find some crystal stores 119 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:10,160 some 120 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:12,880 alternative medicine shops healing 121 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:13,840 vaguely 122 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:16,800 stores something like that anyway off i 123 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:17,360 go 124 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:21,199 and we'll discover what um 125 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:36,830 [Music] 126 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:40,790 store 127 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:42,629 well the buses dropped me off here in 128 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:45,440 king street new town right at the 129 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:49,120 at the northern end in fact if i look 130 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:52,560 up towards the north i can see 131 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:54,320 quite a few of the skyscrapers of 132 00:06:00,629 --> 00:05:56,160 downtown sydney 133 00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:00,639 so i am now entering new town 134 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:03,919 walking along uh walking in a southerly 135 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:05,680 direction 136 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:07,280 down the length of king street which is 137 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:09,280 about oh i don't know three kilometers 138 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:12,479 square kilometers something like that 139 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:16,080 very busy uh newtown 140 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:19,440 king street is a major artery 141 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:22,560 coming into the city from the south so 142 00:06:24,870 --> 00:06:23,039 you get 143 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:24,880 lots of traffic this time of day which 144 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:26,479 is uh oh 145 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:30,000 nearly nine o'clock lots of heavy 146 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:35,280 uh heavy trucks and things like that 147 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:38,720 it's worth remembering too that uh just 148 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:41,440 about a kilometer up uh to the north 149 00:06:44,950 --> 00:06:42,880 along this road you'll find the 150 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:44,960 university of sydney 151 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,000 so lots of students 152 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:50,160 can be around this area and king street 153 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:52,160 is also famous for its 154 00:06:58,469 --> 00:06:55,039 incredible range of excellent cafes and 155 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:01,029 first landmark i'm passing is sadly no 156 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:02,560 longer there 157 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:05,039 the building is gould's bookstore and 158 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:07,280 lots of sydney siders will well remember 159 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:09,759 gould's bookstore it's one of the most 160 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:12,319 amazing second-hand bookstores 161 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:16,240 in sydney uh thousands of books piled 162 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:17,759 everywhere 163 00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:21,120 and over the years i've discovered 164 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:30,550 oh it's busy now some very good 165 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:32,560 books to do with metaphysics and 166 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:34,639 astrology and arrow cards and all the 167 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:43,189 and now not far 168 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:45,360 past world's bookstore we come to our 169 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:51,990 store here our first business the 170 00:08:04,550 --> 00:07:59,830 general internal medicine it says 171 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:07,189 dermatology soft tissue industry herbal 172 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:07,919 formula 173 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:09,800 acupuncture remedial massage 174 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:12,000 electromagnetic therapy 175 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:15,360 major health funds and work cover rebate 176 00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:16,960 it's closed but if i look into the 177 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:19,039 window it looks like 178 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:23,120 the typical a typical chinese medicine 179 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:24,479 shop 180 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:28,000 with lots of jars of pills 181 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:30,080 actually they're all opaque that's 182 00:08:34,790 --> 00:08:31,680 interesting 183 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:34,800 so there we are the first one let's 184 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:37,360 see out here chinese herbal medicine 185 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:39,519 classical acupuncture 186 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:47,110 and the doctors are if 187 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:50,399 is chin and jaiwu 188 00:08:57,030 --> 00:08:53,200 who seem to have lots of degrees in 189 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:03,509 a master in acupuncture okay 190 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,310 as i said before one of the things i 191 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:08,480 love about king street 192 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:11,200 new town not the noisy buses the number 193 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:12,640 of restaurants and they 194 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:14,800 got a lot of thai restaurants here and 195 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:17,839 here's one i haven't seen before 196 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:22,640 wallabies thai wallabies time 197 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:25,120 i've seen ones here called tie me down 198 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:27,200 thai bomb 199 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:33,430 now you might remember a couple of weeks 200 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:35,519 ago we had dr siobhan 201 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:38,240 sutherland on the show talking about her 202 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,000 uh 203 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:42,720 journey with ovarian cancer and i'm just 204 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:44,480 at the corner of 205 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:48,000 missing road and down myself road 206 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:51,120 is the chris o'brien lifehouse near the 207 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:53,040 royal prince alfred hospital 208 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:54,640 and that's where she's been going for a 209 00:09:58,310 --> 00:09:56,640 chemotherapy 210 00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:58,320 quite a well-known landmark here in 211 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:03,990 okay a little further down and we come 212 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,600 across nature's energy 213 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:07,600 acupuncture massage beauty crystals 214 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:09,920 tarot and waxing 215 00:10:15,190 --> 00:10:13,200 and there's it's not open at the moment 216 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:15,200 but if i look inside the big window here 217 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:17,440 i can see 218 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:25,360 and book today it says 219 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:29,120 for it would appear to be a spa 220 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:32,320 treatment sounds nice and what's this we 221 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:33,680 have an advertising here 222 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:36,079 tarot and psychic life path readings and 223 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:37,600 hypnotic healings with 224 00:10:44,389 --> 00:10:41,279 karen with a picture of a beaming carrot 225 00:10:47,030 --> 00:10:44,399 karen combines tarot cards psychic 226 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:47,040 insight and life path charts 227 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:52,240 to connect with as the bus goes by 228 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:56,320 to connect with who you are 229 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:00,160 where you're at and what you'll 230 00:11:04,069 --> 00:11:03,360 encounter going forward just provide 231 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:04,079 your first 232 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:06,640 name and date of birth or that of 233 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:08,800 someone else to receive an in-depth 234 00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:10,640 understanding of your past present and 235 00:11:14,069 --> 00:11:11,279 future 236 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:14,079 my goodness me that's a hell of a claim 237 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:16,640 hypnotic energy healing using your life 238 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:19,440 path charts to bring deep therapeutic 239 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:21,120 change 240 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:24,800 right oh bring your phone to record your 241 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:25,680 session 242 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:27,920 that's tempting karen has been reading 243 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:30,399 tarot cards since 1996 244 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:32,399 and has worked as a reader in australia 245 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:34,320 the uk and the usa 246 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:37,600 she is a psychic and clear 247 00:11:44,310 --> 00:11:41,040 audient hearing sensing and is also a 248 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:44,320 qualified clinical hypno hypnotist 249 00:11:48,310 --> 00:11:46,800 nlp counselor neuro-linguistic 250 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:48,320 programming 251 00:11:54,629 --> 00:11:52,000 life coach and parapsychologist 252 00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:54,639 wow karen's life path readings and 253 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:57,279 healings bring clarity and confidence 254 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:00,160 discover more about yourself your future 255 00:12:04,389 --> 00:12:02,800 and how to make the most of it 256 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:04,399 goodness me that sounds too good to be 257 00:12:12,629 --> 00:12:10,870 and i come around the corner here to the 258 00:12:14,949 --> 00:12:12,639 side window 259 00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:14,959 and it's lots of jewelry and crystals 260 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:16,639 and 261 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:24,870 rose quartz it says love forgiveness 262 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:26,160 self-love 263 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:29,279 chakra heart chakra zodiac 264 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:33,440 taurus and libra planet venus element 265 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:36,560 earth and water thanks to a book that 266 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:47,110 and the next one we come across is a 267 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:49,040 store called mineralism 268 00:12:54,069 --> 00:12:52,480 just down not far from the previous one 269 00:12:57,990 --> 00:12:54,079 and again it looks like much the same 270 00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:01,509 lots of tarot cards i can see in the 271 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:02,800 in the store the store shot at the 272 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:05,360 moment giant crystals 273 00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:07,760 in the window here big crystals more 274 00:13:14,389 --> 00:13:10,480 tarot cards flowers that sort of stuff 275 00:13:16,069 --> 00:13:14,399 it looks primarily like a crystal shop 276 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:16,079 for those who want to buy healing 277 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:22,949 so called the crystals and magic 278 00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:31,910 walking down and passing various camera 279 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:34,000 shops and they must get a dishonorable 280 00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:36,399 mention because all of them if you go 281 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:37,839 inside you'll be able to find things 282 00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:39,680 like homeopathy 283 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:41,360 and other things that simply don't work 284 00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:43,360 i'm outside the little door here of 285 00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:49,990 and an angry motorist uh 286 00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:52,160 naturopath it says holistic treatment 287 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:53,519 for all health conditions 288 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:57,360 that's a big claim naturopathic 289 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,480 herbal and nutritional medicine remedial 290 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:03,120 massage it says 291 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:05,680 andrew james healing center experienced 292 00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:08,480 in professional service 293 00:14:14,829 --> 00:14:11,440 naturopathic treatment for acne eczema 294 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:17,269 psoriasis 295 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:20,320 making my way towards the train station 296 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:21,920 in the town hall 297 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:25,839 which is a very uh very central part of 298 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:30,480 newtown coming up to doctor earth and 299 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,839 in the old days we would have called 300 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:33,680 this a health food shop 301 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:37,760 so they sell yeah lots of vitamins and 302 00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:40,480 supplements and things that 303 00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:42,079 i don't know claim all sorts of 304 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:44,959 wonderful things but i think i'm right 305 00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:46,560 in remembering that when the power band 306 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:48,639 wristbands were at their height 307 00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:52,880 in uh 2008 2009 308 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:55,519 that that chain dr earth was selling 309 00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:56,720 them 310 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:00,880 and indeed choice magazine to test one 311 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:04,800 bought a power balance wristband from 312 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,720 dr earth and 313 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,320 as part of their testing they took it 314 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:12,399 back to get their money back 315 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,720 and the people at the doctor earth then 316 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:16,800 proceeded to test it to make sure it 317 00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:17,360 didn't 318 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:23,030 we come to another crystal shop not far 319 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,320 from the train station crystal arcana 320 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,480 and shut again unfortunately peering 321 00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:30,639 through much like the other ones 322 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:32,079 there must be a lot of money in these 323 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:34,000 crystals 324 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,120 and it seems all of them also sell a 325 00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,519 multitude of tarot cards 326 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,199 so in the window here apart from 327 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:43,360 crystals we have about seven different 328 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,990 i guess one is better than the other i 329 00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:51,600 don't know 330 00:15:57,839 --> 00:16:02,389 with an interesting sign 331 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:06,470 as the trucks go by and the bus 332 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:09,600 good dogs welcome any damage any 333 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:11,279 breakages must be paid for 334 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,910 i'm now at the halfway point i've 335 00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,079 reached the town hall 336 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,000 which is opposite the train station here 337 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,399 in the suburb of newtown 338 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:28,480 where i cross over king street to 339 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,920 continue on the other side of king 340 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,839 street the road forks 341 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:34,240 so i have to head across to the other 342 00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:34,880 side 343 00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,279 to be the less 344 00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,600 what should we say fashionable it's a 345 00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:44,800 little bit more quiet 346 00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:47,519 but nevertheless interesting and of 347 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,399 course the restaurants never end 348 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:52,560 and we find something i haven't noticed 349 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:53,620 before it says 350 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:54,720 [Music] 351 00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:58,320 dr hemp your one-stop hemp 352 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:01,759 and mushroom store fresh food drinks 353 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,909 looks like um smoking paraphernalia i 354 00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:13,919 guess 355 00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,799 and here i am at the happy herb store 356 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,799 which used to be called the happy high 357 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,799 herb store 358 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,360 and it sells i've actually never been in 359 00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:25,520 there but i've seen it 360 00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,600 they they can turn up at mind body 361 00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:29,360 spirit wine body wallet festivals and 362 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:29,679 some 363 00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,039 the week 364 00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:35,679 linden flowers a calming uplifting 365 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:37,039 effect 366 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,960 when drunk as a tea a relaxing and 367 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:42,720 gentle 368 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:46,000 commonly used for insomnia anxiety 369 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,150 and here's a sign in the window that 370 00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:56,160 says support your immunity 371 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,080 i bet they don't mean by vaccination 372 00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:02,720 and a sign here relax your body calm 373 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,280 your mind 374 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:06,160 sound healing meditation restorative 375 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,039 relaxation 376 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:09,440 for mental physical and emotional health 377 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:10,720 wednesdays 378 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:14,320 online on zoom there you go gongs 379 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:22,789 but you know it could be very relaxing 380 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,320 and also a little ad here for nine lives 381 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:27,360 tarot 382 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,029 now it's interesting i'm passing a 383 00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:36,720 restaurant here called lentil as 384 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:37,280 anything 385 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,400 is a krishna restaurant 386 00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,400 i've eaten there a few times it's just 387 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,799 no-nonsense vegan food 388 00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:50,640 and then at the end you pay what you 389 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,990 the further we go south the further we 390 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:57,840 get into the territory of 391 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:01,120 curiosity stores 392 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:04,320 which sell all sorts of things that uh 393 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,840 wow it's noisy which maybe 394 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,520 somebody found under their grandmother's 395 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:10,960 bed or in their cupboard or something 396 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,590 but don't get me wrong it's fantastic 397 00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:17,120 stuff it's really interesting 398 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,270 now i'm outside the kundalini 399 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,480 sound and herbal therapy store 400 00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,400 gift vouchers available and the window 401 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,240 is full of healing uh not healing well 402 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,600 singing bowls 403 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,120 they sound quite nice actually i've 404 00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,640 heard them before 405 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,640 and if i look inside the wall here on 406 00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:40,240 the wall through the window 407 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,799 there must be about 40 healing bowls all 408 00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:43,440 stacked 409 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,200 and uh displayed little little 410 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,360 bottles of some sort of potion or pills 411 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,200 as well 412 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,360 and uh yes the singing balls actually do 413 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:55,200 sound nice there's no doubt about it 414 00:20:03,909 --> 00:19:58,640 they can be very relaxing to sit back 415 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:07,430 now here we are at the chinese 416 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,360 massage looks a bit faded the 417 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,440 facade here has been faded by the sun 418 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,880 over the years there are posters in the 419 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:16,320 wall 420 00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:19,520 of acupuncture points 421 00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,960 which is faded to blue interesting 422 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,559 but yeah there's a couple of posters 423 00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:26,080 here which must have been in that window 424 00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:29,280 for years and years and years 425 00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:33,159 and also we have a chart of the foot 426 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,909 and you'll be pleased to know that the 427 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:41,360 eyes are located 428 00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,880 on your second and third toe your ears 429 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,240 and your 430 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,600 little toe and the heart is in the 431 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,200 middle of the foot to the 432 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,400 left what's that thing the kidney is 433 00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:55,919 right in the middle of the foot 434 00:21:03,270 --> 00:20:59,600 and of course your sciatic nerve 435 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:03,280 is on the heel 436 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,960 just so you know 437 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,480 [Music] 438 00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,640 it's nice to know that down this end and 439 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,559 i'm nearly at the end now 440 00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,919 there's a um sort of reincarnation of 441 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,120 the gold 442 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,120 gold second-hand bookstore it's much 443 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,880 smaller but at least 444 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,559 they still have a presence and that's a 445 00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,240 good thing to see i 446 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,159 wonder what happened to the thousands 447 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,840 upon thousands of books that they had 448 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:39,520 stacked up in the old 449 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,440 in the old gorge bookstore 450 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,720 now we've come to the end of the king 451 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,960 street adventure 452 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,640 down this side street now where it's 453 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,720 nice and quiet just near saint peter's 454 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,320 train station 455 00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,080 might take a train home i wonder 456 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,799 where you live if you live in or near a 457 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,320 big city 458 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,280 i wonder if you have a king street new 459 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,480 town 460 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:08,320 a place that considers itself to be a 461 00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,840 bit alternative a bit hip 462 00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,110 oh with some birds and you too might 463 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,960 discover some interesting alternative 464 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,400 shops and crystal healing and 465 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:21,600 naturopaths and 466 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:26,080 uh tarot cards and 467 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,880 like that always worth a look 468 00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,960 and i think it uh it's a good idea for 469 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,159 any skeptic 470 00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:37,360 once in a while to walk around and 471 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:41,200 see what the other side 472 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,070 hi this is heidi robertson from the 473 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,880 northern rivers vaccination supporters 474 00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,360 we are a group of concerned citizens 475 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,520 dedicated to promoting good science and 476 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,440 common sense in our region 477 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,480 the far north coast of new south wales 478 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,960 this area famous for its natural beauty 479 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,880 and relaxed lifestyle 480 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,440 also has the lowest rates of vaccination 481 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,280 in australia 482 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,600 we are out to change that by challenging 483 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,760 the myths and misinformation 484 00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:28,080 and by providing good evidence-based 485 00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,880 information 486 00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,840 to the community we'd love for you no 487 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,679 matter where you are in the world 488 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,720 to join our fight please visit our 489 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:37,919 webpage 490 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,440 at www.nrvs.info 491 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,120 we also have a link there to our 492 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,720 facebook page 493 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,159 tweet us at nrvaxsupporter 494 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,440 that's vax and check us out on wikipedia 495 00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,799 by searching for 496 00:24:06,430 --> 00:23:57,919 northern rivers vaccination supporters 497 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:13,510 [Music] 498 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,350 a couple of weeks ago on the show you 499 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:16,840 will remember 500 00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,480 maynard interviewed dr brad mackay 501 00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,559 it was a three-part interview about dr 502 00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,760 brad's new book 503 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:26,159 fake medicine exposing the wellness 504 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,960 craze 505 00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:30,000 cons and quacks costing us our 506 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:33,679 health published by hatchet australia 507 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,520 and reading from the first page here 508 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,840 dr brad is an australian science 509 00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:40,720 communicator 510 00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,400 tv host and gp at his clinic in sydney 511 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,200 he is an experienced broadcaster 512 00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,360 interviewer and public commentator 513 00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,600 appearing regularly on tv and radio 514 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:52,480 including 515 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,000 as a host of abc's catalyst 516 00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,799 and a regular commentator on the today 517 00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,520 show 518 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,919 and presenting several medical podcasts 519 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,360 for health professionals 520 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,000 he is also on the editorial board of the 521 00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,400 medicine republic magazine 522 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,799 brad has hosted the logie nominated 523 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:13,200 embarrassing bodies down under 524 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,880 a show dedicated to decreasing stigma 525 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:19,360 and raising awareness of traditionally 526 00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,080 taboo 527 00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,640 health topics he is a member of the 528 00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:24,799 immunization coalition 529 00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,520 and an ambassador for the immunization 530 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:28,559 foundation 531 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,400 to that he is also 532 00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:34,880 a committee member of the australian 533 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,310 it was my pleasure along with a room 534 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:41,520 full of people in fact there was 535 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,000 standing 536 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,720 room only on the evening of friday the 537 00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,240 16th of april 538 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,320 to attend the book launch of fake 539 00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,360 medicine 540 00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,159 where dr brad was interviewed by noted 541 00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:54,080 journalist and broadcaster 542 00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,830 richard saunders here from the 543 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,440 australian skeptics in the skeptic zone 544 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:07,440 podcast hence the two microphones 545 00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:10,480 brad a couple of 546 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,559 years ago you came with us to the 547 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,400 festival of mind body spirit down in 548 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,000 darling harbour and i noticed 549 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,200 there back again next month and we spent 550 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,559 a very interesting 551 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,400 afternoon going around to all the uh 552 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,080 displays and what have you 553 00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,679 but one thing that i i'd like to get 554 00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,279 your thoughts and opinions on was 555 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,799 something i know you saw which was the 556 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,480 metatron and this was a device a 557 00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,400 computer which could scan you down to 558 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,320 the level of dna 559 00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,640 and then send zapping zaps through your 560 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,080 body to zap these little 561 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,480 viruses and stuff and my question is are 562 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:44,240 you surprised this sort of thing is 563 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,520 simply 564 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:48,159 allowed to go on where's the regulation 565 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,799 you sound skeptical i think iran was 566 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,400 wearing the machine at the time 567 00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,640 that we were there so did you did you 568 00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,159 feel any different after you had your 569 00:27:04,870 --> 00:26:59,200 treatment around 570 00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,830 125 lighter oh my god so that's how they 571 00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,640 make their money 572 00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,279 um but yeah like i i think i'm i'm 573 00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,120 always surprised that people believe it 574 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,679 um and i like looking at the monitor and 575 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,679 it's sort of like got a picture of a 576 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,320 body 577 00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,080 and then it like dives in and then 578 00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,600 you're like seeing like an 579 00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,600 organ and then it dives in again and 580 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:25,120 then you see like a cell and then it 581 00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,520 dives 582 00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:28,159 again and you see dna twisting around on 583 00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,880 the monitor 584 00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,840 like it was it was just like i was back 585 00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,159 in the 80s 586 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,799 terrible terrible graphics i don't know 587 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159 why people would believe 588 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,919 that that you're able to sort of like 589 00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,240 target a particular parasite in your gut 590 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,559 from having these wires like placed on 591 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,960 your head or on your hands 592 00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,120 but i think people um see something 593 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,880 medical they see something with wires 594 00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,880 um and if if people aren't health 595 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,240 literate then 596 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,960 it's easy to believe that um and if you 597 00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679 go away 598 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,600 with the placebo effect um if you 599 00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,960 believe that it's 600 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,799 going to be working that your gut is now 601 00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,640 better then your gut probably will be 602 00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,320 better for a while because of the 603 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,520 placebo effect 604 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,200 so um you may feel like you've invested 605 00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:14,080 you're 125 and that is money well worth 606 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,039 spent and so 607 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,520 then you're also finding that value from 608 00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,440 the treatment that you've had which is 609 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:22,640 totally uh totally fake 610 00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,960 um so i think it's it's it's terrible 611 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:29,120 i think um yeah there was a there's 612 00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,240 another festival that's 613 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,760 that's going around as well i haven't 614 00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,880 talked to you about this richard but 615 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,399 it's called the mind body 616 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,799 psychic festival so um so that's 617 00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:38,720 probably another avenue 618 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,919 to go down as well but yeah that's the 619 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,480 the thing that gets me gets me mad when 620 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,080 people are spending their hard-earned 621 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:48,480 cash the writers festival's coming 622 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:55,110 i may be among them thank you so much 623 00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,679 brad 624 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,039 any other questions you may have for 625 00:29:05,350 --> 00:28:58,720 brownies available for private 626 00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,830 it's a fantastic thing to write a book 627 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,039 it's a real 628 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,279 accomplishment and the book is 629 00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,120 interesting on so many 630 00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,360 levels and your honesty and 631 00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,640 vulnerability 632 00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,279 and empathy um has only just increased 633 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,039 the intimacy of the power of 634 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:23,039 the book as well i really mean it it's a 635 00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,080 fantastic 636 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,679 achievement to do that to look at that 637 00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:27,600 on the show and know that you have done 638 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,919 that 639 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:30,320 um congratulations to you and i'm still 640 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:38,149 tomorrow but when you get to my age 58 641 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:38,640 you know 642 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:57,750 thank you all for coming 643 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,149 after the book launch some of us found 644 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,320 ourselves strangely enough in a bar 645 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,559 for a nice drink joining me were 646 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,760 skeptics president 647 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,760 jessica singer and committee members 648 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,880 josh godby 649 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,470 tell us about the chapter that you're in 650 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:15,760 i'm not in a chapter i 651 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,120 i reviewed the quackery chapter and i i 652 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,520 you know just said look maybe this line 653 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,200 maybe that or this is a good point or 654 00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,120 that's a good point that's much my 655 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:28,000 contributions to the book but um i've 656 00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,440 yet to read the rest of the book i only 657 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,960 got my copy 658 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,440 last week yes well fellow committee 659 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:34,960 member martin hadley 660 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:38,640 proofed the whole thing he did he did i 661 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:42,640 read um and um did a little critique of 662 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:42,960 the 663 00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399 sexist medicine chapter which dr brett 664 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,080 was touchingly grateful about 665 00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,440 i didn't think i'd made much of a 666 00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:51,279 contribution but he was very sweet about 667 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,679 it 668 00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,919 but uh yeah but kudos to martin for 669 00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,679 proofing the whole thing 670 00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:58,000 yeah absolutely but but i'm not 671 00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,279 surprised he's the sort of guy 672 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,039 so there's someone who's read it all 673 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,480 somebody said 674 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,559 josh did you get a copy i got a copy 675 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,240 tonight indeed i did 676 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,320 i have not read it because i 677 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:09,279 legitimately 678 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,840 lost my copy tonight i've read one page 679 00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,480 it just happens to be the thank you page 680 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,519 no it's great i mean 681 00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,200 dr brad's written his first book i mean 682 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,720 we've known brad now for a number of 683 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:22,000 years he's been on the committee and we 684 00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,559 all have 685 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:25,519 the highest opinion of dr brad so um i 686 00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,919 think 687 00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,399 it's a terrific thing so folks i'll link 688 00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,320 to where you can buy your own copy in 689 00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,679 this week's show notes but i think we 690 00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,559 can all 691 00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:34,080 even though some of us haven't 692 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,679 thoroughly read it i think we can 693 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,080 thoroughly recommend it well we're 694 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,880 certainly looking forward to reading it 695 00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,880 i've read chapter one you've read all i 696 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:44,840 can say now is cheers everybody thank 697 00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,470 [Music] 698 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,279 hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the 699 00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,880 rationable podcast on berationable.com 700 00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,880 every couple of weeks i science the hell 701 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,399 out of alternative medicines 702 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,960 health and nutrition fads social media 703 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:14,960 forwards science news 704 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,000 and lots more of course you can find 705 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,480 all of my articles podcast episodes and 706 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:21,519 lots more 707 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:25,760 on www.berationable.com 708 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:40,830 [Music] 709 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,750 rationable 710 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:45,760 now it's time once again to dive into 711 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,760 the treasure trove at trove 712 00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,360 trove.nla.gov.eu the online resource 713 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,640 from the australian government in the 714 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,720 national library of australia 715 00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,080 free for you to wander around and 716 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,559 search the digital archive of magazines 717 00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,240 journals periodicals 718 00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:04,640 and so on dating back decades and 719 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:10,159 decades and indeed centuries now it 720 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,559 might 721 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,480 interest you to know that uh during the 722 00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,080 time we've had this segment 723 00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:16,399 over the past or four or five months or 724 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:17,120 so 725 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,880 maybe four months the topics 726 00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,000 we've uh investigated have 727 00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:27,039 been in no particular order 728 00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,120 debunking superstitions harry houdini 729 00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,799 the bent spoon carl sagan biorhythms 730 00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,679 clairvoyance into the unknown which was 731 00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,399 about 732 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,679 testing of uh paranormal power in the 19 733 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,720 late 1940s astrology 734 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,080 yowies urigella water divining 735 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,120 ufos the australian skeptics 736 00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,480 james randy ouija board loch ness 737 00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,440 monster 738 00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:58,720 esp quackery and 739 00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:02,159 haunted house and this week i thought 740 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,799 we'd look 741 00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,080 for references to the term 742 00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:11,909 and according to an online dictionary 743 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,240 which 744 00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,879 is the first uh return when doing a 745 00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:15,919 search with 746 00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,919 google telekinesis noun the supposed 747 00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,879 ability to move 748 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,679 objects at a distance by mental power or 749 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,679 other non-physical means 750 00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,240 when i think of telekinesis and maybe 751 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,079 some of you may remember the show my 752 00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,440 favorite martian 753 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,679 the character uncle martin could point 754 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:34,480 his finger 755 00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,159 at an object and raise it in the air and 756 00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,399 float it around the room and so forth 757 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:43,520 moving objects at a distance 758 00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,480 the first reference an early reference 759 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,520 that we come across 760 00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,760 to this term comes to us from the daily 761 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:52,240 news from perth western australia 762 00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,399 dated the first of may 1918 763 00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:59,599 spirit influence a strange story 764 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,359 recorded by gala press on sunday evening 765 00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,560 march 10 766 00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:07,520 there were further manifestations of 767 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,079 spirit 768 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:11,119 influences in the home of mr benjamin 769 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,680 milton 770 00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:14,320 of growler south writes an adelaide 771 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,200 paper 772 00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:18,400 the police were immediately informed of 773 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,280 the happening 774 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,760 but the result of their inquiry was not 775 00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:23,599 made available until this week 776 00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:26,800 mr milton after the previous visitation 777 00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,839 removed the boy from the environment on 778 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:31,200 the advice of 779 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:35,920 dr doors and strangers it may seem 780 00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,040 the phenomena ceased as the lad however 781 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,720 was not attending school 782 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,880 the education department asked for his 783 00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,680 return mr milton perforce 784 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,680 brought the boy home and the little 785 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,440 fellow seemed much better 786 00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,400 for his holiday that saturday evening he 787 00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,640 was put in his bed and within a few 788 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,000 seconds was 789 00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:59,040 violently propelled upwards and fell to 790 00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,839 the floor 791 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,119 his parents essayed to put him to bed 792 00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,320 a second time and the lad was again 793 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,359 pitched out later that week a police 794 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,960 inquiry was made 795 00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,800 a detective arrived from the city 796 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:14,960 accompanied by sister lily 797 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,920 lingwood smith a christian spiritual 798 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,520 evangelist 799 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520 they in company with the local police 800 00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,440 went to the home of mr milton 801 00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,720 and sister smith from the few inquiries 802 00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,359 made 803 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:30,079 was satisfied that there was an 804 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:30,960 unconscious 805 00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:34,160 medium in the home the little fellow was 806 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,720 taken 807 00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,920 and placed in his bed a stretcher and 808 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:40,000 immediately was thrown out into the 809 00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,280 ladies arms 810 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,839 a second trial was made with a similar 811 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,880 result 812 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,760 mounted constable crowhurst then tested 813 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,480 the bed 814 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,680 and felt a distinct movement 815 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:54,160 sister smith invoked the aid of the 816 00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,200 spirits 817 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,680 and communication was affected with the 818 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,240 astral plane 819 00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:02,320 she could not discover the origin of the 820 00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,359 manifestations 821 00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,839 however although it was made plain that 822 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,480 the girl in the home was the unconscious 823 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,520 medium 824 00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,760 and that so long as she remained in the 825 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,560 environment 826 00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,520 the phenomena would continue provided 827 00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,079 there was a sympathetic spirit like 828 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,680 the boy as a go-between the wrappings 829 00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,000 were 830 00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,800 insistent but the information gleaned 831 00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,160 was of no service 832 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,960 in elucidating the trouble the lady 833 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:30,960 spiritualist was positive 834 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,000 that her summaries were correct and 835 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,680 since the removal of the children to 836 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,240 another home no further manifestations 837 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,599 have taken place 838 00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,560 this mysterious power that has shown 839 00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,200 itself 840 00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,400 is designated telekinesis 841 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,800 a force able to move material things 842 00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,520 without visible or tangible contact 843 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:54,800 telekinesis it is said was first 844 00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,560 manifested in america in 1848 845 00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:01,680 when a family named fox were troubled by 846 00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:04,800 inexplicable movings of furniture and 847 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,000 wrappings the gala incident was kept so 848 00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,560 quiet on the second occasion that the 849 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,880 general public had no knowledge of its 850 00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,760 reoccurrence otherwise there would have 851 00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,520 been much public curiosity 852 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,320 as the phenomena created great interest 853 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,000 in the town 854 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,440 every time i read these uh accounts 855 00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,320 of these strange happenings from many 856 00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,079 years ago i sort of wish i could have 857 00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,680 been there to see what was really going 858 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,440 on 859 00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,920 and now we come to the sunday times 860 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:36,560 published 861 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:40,480 in sydney on the 16th of december 862 00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,320 1906 resolution 863 00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:47,680 of spiritualists the grand 864 00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,960 council of spiritualist associations of 865 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,839 new south wales has forwarded to the 866 00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:55,920 sunday times a copy of 867 00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,720 resolutions passed by them which include 868 00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,680 the following 869 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,400 that this grand council take immediate 870 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,680 steps to suppress 871 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,400 the public or private use of the term 872 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,520 spiritualist 873 00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,560 or spiritualism in the case of so-called 874 00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,520 mediums 875 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,720 spirit healers or persons who are 876 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:17,920 merely fortune tellers card cup crystal 877 00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,240 or 878 00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,599 planet readers palmists persons of ill 879 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,720 repute 880 00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,599 charm mongers or those who give advice 881 00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:25,920 in 882 00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,960 abortion cause disruptions between 883 00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,440 married and unmarried persons by 884 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,560 pretended 885 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,760 messages from excarnate spirits or 886 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:38,320 in any way attempt to abrogate the 887 00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,280 reason 888 00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,079 of the sitter or investigator by 889 00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,440 suggestions that 890 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,520 tend to influence or destroy the 891 00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,280 character of the sitters 892 00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,079 or investigators judgment that this 893 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,280 grand council recognizes the phenomenon 894 00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,359 of clairvoyance trance telepathy 895 00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:00,640 telekinesis psychometry automatic 896 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:01,200 writing 897 00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:05,680 hypnotism occultism and psychic activity 898 00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,000 generally as innate or acquired powers 899 00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,800 which may or may not be due to the 900 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:13,760 control 901 00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,960 influence or direction of excanat 902 00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:17,839 spirits 903 00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:20,640 and warns all persons that only those 904 00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,119 holding 905 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,480 the certificate of the grand council 906 00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:27,760 can be regarded as genuine exponents 907 00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:31,599 of the activities of the excarnate 908 00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:36,119 so there and what year was that again 909 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,119 1906 hmm and now we come to the year 910 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,280 1922 911 00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,480 the sun published in sydney monday the 912 00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,839 8th of may 913 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,800 arm-in-arm with ghost mysterious 914 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:50,240 ectoplasm 915 00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,160 sydney doctor's views mediums and 916 00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,119 materializations 917 00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,079 it crawls out of your mouth like a snake 918 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:00,560 of slow white smoke 919 00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,480 it is hair it is skin it is bone 920 00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:07,119 it is set of teeth champing by 921 00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,079 themselves 922 00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,359 in the atmosphere it is a fat 923 00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,480 white finger scratching your palm and 924 00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:17,119 sliding into your pockets 925 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,599 it is ectoplasm and before we read on 926 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:24,000 this is quite fun because you know you 927 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,800 start 928 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,880 looking for one term in this case uh 929 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:29,040 telekinesis but you never know what the 930 00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,160 articles 931 00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,359 are going to uh present what you're 932 00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,119 going to find 933 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,520 all sorts of interesting things who's 934 00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,680 afraid of ectoplasm 935 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,839 next time you see an elongated white 936 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,240 sausage ballooning out of 937 00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520 someone's mouth there is no need to 938 00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:49,680 scream for help or lock the cellar 939 00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:53,520 it is merely ectoplasm and mr horus 940 00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:56,640 leaf has just arrived in sydney to tell 941 00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,200 us 942 00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,240 all about it mr leaf presents 943 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,599 the whole of the spiritualist movement 944 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:06,400 in great britain and by arrangement with 945 00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,720 sir 946 00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,839 arthur conan doyle is to lecture in 947 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,599 sydney on wednesday night 948 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:14,880 on the mediums materializations 949 00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,960 telekinesis ectoplasm and miscellaneous 950 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,520 ghosts previous to sir arthur conan 951 00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,200 doyle's tour of australia 952 00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:26,720 he wanted me to accompany him said mr 953 00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:30,319 x leaf in a special interview 954 00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,839 for quote the sun end quoted today 955 00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,560 this was not possible at the time but 956 00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,680 when sir arthur 957 00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,000 returned to england he asked me to visit 958 00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,000 australia to lecture on the latest 959 00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,960 spiritual developments so i arranged to 960 00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,680 come out 961 00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,000 in the special capacity of 962 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,240 representative of all the spiritualist 963 00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,160 movements in the united kingdom 964 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,000 and of all the societies connected with 965 00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,440 psychical research 966 00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,040 my particular work is to present two 967 00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,960 lantern lectures ghosts 968 00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:05,920 the first deals with the materialization 969 00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,160 of 970 00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,440 ghosts in solid form and is a world 971 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,319 famous paper which i have delivered by 972 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:13,680 special request 973 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,960 before various learned societies it is 974 00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,880 particularly noteworthy because it 975 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,920 includes 976 00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,480 the whole of the remaining photographs 977 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:23,599 taken by the late 978 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,359 sir william crooks in connection 979 00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,960 with the series of experimental seances 980 00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:32,240 held by him 981 00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,400 as long ago as 1890 these pictures were 982 00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,720 practically withheld from the public 983 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,079 until a few months before 984 00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,960 his death when they passed into my 985 00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,319 possession 986 00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,640 some of them show the famous scientist 987 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,920 standing arm and arm 988 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,560 with a materialized form which gave the 989 00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:51,280 name of 990 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,839 katie king floating in air 991 00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599 many of the photographs i am going to 992 00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,440 show were taken by eminent 993 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,640 scientists on the continent and depict 994 00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,000 ectoplasm 995 00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,839 the substance from which the 996 00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,040 materialized 997 00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:10,800 forms are made including from mediums 998 00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:13,599 bodies and actually in the process of 999 00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,599 formation into human organisms 1000 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,599 many of the pictures were taken in 1001 00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:20,880 connection with 1002 00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,560 experiments made by dr cedric not singh 1003 00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,000 professor reichit and 1004 00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:31,119 and here the text is very faint i think 1005 00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:31,440 it's 1006 00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,800 read the text the famous 1007 00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:39,839 astronomer all of which research was 1008 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,000 regarded as amongst the most important 1009 00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,920 spiritualistic work ever done i shall 1010 00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,000 also give a lecture illustrating the 1011 00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,480 phenomenon of telekinesis 1012 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,960 which means the levitation of objects in 1013 00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,160 the air 1014 00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,079 amongst the photographs depicting this 1015 00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,160 will be the only ones ever taken of a 1016 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,880 levitating human being under perfect 1017 00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:03,760 scientific conditions human beings will 1018 00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,079 be 1019 00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,359 shown actually floating in the air 1020 00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,680 in addition i shall show photographs 1021 00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:10,880 taken by the late 1022 00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,319 dr w j corford of belfast 1023 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,240 showing the actual means by which the 1024 00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:18,560 phenomenon takes place and also 1025 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:22,640 how it is that wraps are made by spirits 1026 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:26,000 dr crawford made this study a special 1027 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,359 item of research 1028 00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,240 for over nine years and showed how 1029 00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,000 although the phenomenon occurred 1030 00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,119 by supernormal means it was always 1031 00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,400 subject to the 1032 00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,760 newtonian laws of gravity dr crawford's 1033 00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,520 theory was that 1034 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,079 all the phenomenon of levitation and 1035 00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,040 table wraps 1036 00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,400 etc were performed by what he 1037 00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,960 called invisible operators who made 1038 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,599 psychic 1039 00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,200 cantilevers for raising objects and 1040 00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,480 psychic rods for making wraps 1041 00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:01,280 the cantilevers and rods he held were 1042 00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,000 made from 1043 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,440 ectoplasm and i have pictures which 1044 00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,000 he took showing the rods actually coming 1045 00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,079 out of the medium's bodies 1046 00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,599 and lifting tables dr crawford had 1047 00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,920 to experiment for about four years 1048 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,200 before he could get 1049 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,240 the operators to consent 1050 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,200 to making the ectoplasm visible our 1051 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,960 particular aim is to present to the 1052 00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,960 australian public the evidence of the 1053 00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,160 science 1054 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,280 while leaving it to them 1055 00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,560 to draw their own deductions so far as i 1056 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,240 am personally concerned i am 1057 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:39,040 of course on the side of such men as sir 1058 00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:39,760 arthur 1059 00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,520 oliver lodge and hold that all the 1060 00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:46,319 supernatural phenomenon are occasioned 1061 00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,119 by 1062 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,240 disembodied entities whom i believe 1063 00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,520 to be disembodied humans that's for 1064 00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:54,800 ectoplasm 1065 00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,560 concluded mr leaf who is himself a 1066 00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,160 well-known medium 1067 00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,200 we know it to be the tissue 1068 00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,839 of the medium's body broken down into a 1069 00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,599 primordial form 1070 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,480 and before the very eyes of the 1071 00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,160 investigators it has 1072 00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,280 been seen to transform itself into 1073 00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,920 tissues corresponding with the tissues 1074 00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,200 of the human body 1075 00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,920 producing hair teeth and other 1076 00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,359 epidemious and 1077 00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,480 true bone doctor 1078 00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,559 and here i'm sorry the name of the 1079 00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:29,839 doctor is 1080 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,760 to fade to read a certain doctor 1081 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:36,240 the well-known scientist claims indeed 1082 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,880 that in 1083 00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,599 his case a human finger materialized out 1084 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:40,640 of ectoplasm 1085 00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:43,920 and actually scratched his palm and 1086 00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,960 stroked his hand and wrote a message 1087 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,760 mr leaf who is accompanied by his wife 1088 00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:51,760 is to give his first lecture 1089 00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,440 on wednesday night always interesting to 1090 00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,839 tiptoe through the pages of 1091 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,960 trove and you too can 1092 00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,880 enjoy a couple of hours looking through 1093 00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:06,079 the pages of trove at trove.nla.gov dot 1094 00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,040 a u 1095 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:09,440 and like me you never know what you 1096 00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,390 [Applause] 1097 00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,160 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1098 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,760 zone now something that's just been 1099 00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:38,720 brought to my attention today 1100 00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,319 a letter published in the echo newspaper 1101 00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,240 now this is the paper 1102 00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,880 around the byron bay area the area in 1103 00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,720 new south wales 1104 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,880 we have one of the lowest rates of 1105 00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,400 vaccination 1106 00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,599 and it's known for its uh alternative 1107 00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,400 lifestyle and so on and our reporter 1108 00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,880 heidi robertson lives in that area and 1109 00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:02,960 of course she's involved with the 1110 00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,400 northern rivers vaccination supporters 1111 00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,839 anyway this letter published in the echo 1112 00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:10,880 says 1113 00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,400 midwife quits it's become untenable 1114 00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,359 for me to continue working in hospitals 1115 00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:18,800 i have quit 1116 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,160 i will be de-registered soon 1117 00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:25,200 by my own choice working with 1118 00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,119 lies and deceit at all levels has led me 1119 00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:30,720 to despair 1120 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,160 i am very good at my job as a midwife 1121 00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,640 you would want me to take care of you 1122 00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:37,599 you would be 1123 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:41,839 very safe in my care the jab 1124 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,359 which is in inverted commas 1125 00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:48,960 cannot be called a vaccine it will 1126 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:52,240 kill and it will make people 1127 00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,760 very sick with auto immune disease 1128 00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,240 which will manifest in many types of 1129 00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,599 diseases 1130 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:02,800 please do not acquiesce 1131 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:06,960 signed deb walsh firmly 1132 00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,480 well deb walsh i guess it's not a bad 1133 00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,079 thing you've decided to quit 1134 00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,280 if that's the case and i'm quite 1135 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,440 surprised that the editor would let such 1136 00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,359 an outrageous letter be published 1137 00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:21,200 without 1138 00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,079 reply or rebuttal but then again 1139 00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:30,000 that is the northern rivers area of new 1140 00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,000 south wales known for its sort of uh 1141 00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,040 alternative thinking and we don't know 1142 00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,960 at this stage whether this person is 1143 00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:39,520 actually 1144 00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,220 real or not so 1145 00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,359 [Music] 1146 00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,200 further investigation might be called 1147 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,400 for and maybe it's a job for media watch 1148 00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,480 that's quite a heavy letter anyway 1149 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,800 if any developments occur we'll keep you 1150 00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,760 updated 1151 00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,040 and don't forget to check out the 1152 00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,800 northern rivers vaccination supporters 1153 00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:57,680 of course 1154 00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,119 at nrvs.invo 1155 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,680 thank you always to those lovely people 1156 00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:05,440 those lovely supporters who support the 1157 00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,040 show via patreon or paypal or 1158 00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,280 alternatively by buying one of my 1159 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,720 digital 1160 00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839 uh photography examples of photography 1161 00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,599 if you go to skepticzone.tv 1162 00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,640 scroll to the bottom of the page 1163 00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,440 you'll see the link to my online store 1164 00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,400 where you can buy 1165 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,839 a uh digital copy download 1166 00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,960 a high resolution photograph of some of 1167 00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:33,520 my origami work 1168 00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,119 you might make a nice addition to a 1169 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,319 children's bedroom 1170 00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,520 or a japanese restaurant or who knows 1171 00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,880 whatever you want 1172 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,480 and that money goes back into helping 1173 00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,079 the skeptic zone 1174 00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,240 now just before i go something a little 1175 00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,359 bit different 1176 00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,920 the other day surfing around looking 1177 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:54,240 around youtube i came across the account 1178 00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:55,040 of one 1179 00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,200 tim hunken from the uk who had a tv show 1180 00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,040 back in the late 80s and the early 90s 1181 00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,400 about how things are made 1182 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,400 it's called the secret life of machines 1183 00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,160 and he talks about how 1184 00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,400 for example sewing machines are made fax 1185 00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,000 machines how they work 1186 00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,119 the history of them washing machines 1187 00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,280 uh in the internal combustion engine 1188 00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,200 light bulbs telephones 1189 00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:20,000 radio it's absorbing it's fascinating 1190 00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,480 it's 1191 00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,520 really well done and if you're 1192 00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,040 interested in that sort of thing i've 1193 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,720 added a link to this week's 1194 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,000 show notes or you can just google tim 1195 00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:33,760 hunkin which is h-u-n-k-i-n 1196 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,839 and uh it's just absorbing fascinating 1197 00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,640 stuff 1198 00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,440 and i guess in the end it's good science 1199 00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,119 and on that note for this week 1200 00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:45,359 this is richard saunders signing off 1201 00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,710 you've been listening to the skeptic 1202 00:52:57,390 --> 00:52:54,240 zone podcast 1203 00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,400 please visit our website at 1204 00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:58,800 www.skepticzone.tv 1205 00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,839 for show notes contacts and to access 1206 00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:03,839 the back catalog of episodes 1207 00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,359 going back to 2008 you can follow the 1208 00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,440 skeptic zone podcast on twitter 1209 00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:12,880 at skepticzone visit our facebook page 1210 00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,400 or leave a review on itunes you can also 1211 00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,839 support the skeptic zone 1212 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:21,040 via patreon or paypal the skeptic zone 1213 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,839 podcast 1214 00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,720 is an independent production the views 1215 00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,480 and opinions expressed on the skeptic 1216 00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,000 zone are not necessarily 1217 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:30,400 those of australian skeptics or any 1218 00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,510 hello to the afterthoughts the people 1219 00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,760 who keep thinking after the music is 1220 00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,119 over 1221 00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,520 who hang around to play the dice game oh 1222 00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,880 yes ten sided die 1223 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,520 usually and why not today that's a nice 1224 00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:57,280 round number 1225 00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,559 i'm going to roll this lovely 1226 00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,280 translucent blue 1227 00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:04,640 die three times 1228 00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,319 maybe four times three times and you 1229 00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,559 use your psychic guessing power or dumb 1230 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,200 luck and see if you can uh 1231 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960 guess what numbers are going to come up 1232 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,960 here we go the first roll coming up so 1233 00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,640 it's either one two three four five six 1234 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:19,280 seven eight 1235 00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,400 nine or ten and my dice rolling machine 1236 00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:29,510 write that down second number coming up 1237 00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,470 number three 1238 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,880 you can play this another way it's 1239 00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:43,760 either seven and a three or it's 730 1240 00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,750 oh seven today's winning numbers are 1241 00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,839 seven three seven 1242 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,960 makes me feel like flying and 1243 00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,680 or 737 if you want to look at it that 1244 00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,079 way 1245 00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,799 and the last number coming up i'll use a 1246 00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:03,359 uh 1247 00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:12,150 supplementary so to speak is 2 1248 00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,040 or 7